Julie Morgan (Cardiff, North) (Lab): As a member of the Public Administration Committee, I am very pleased to speak in this debate. This is an important debate in two respects: first, in relation to the fate of the estimated 125,000 people affected; and secondly, in relation to the status of the ombudsman’s office and the Government’s response to her recommendations.
The Public Administration Committee, ably led by my hon. Friend the Member for Cannock Chase (Dr. Wright), interviewed many people who had suffered the loss of most of their pensions. They gave moving testimonies. As a Cardiff MP, my constituency was very much affected by the closure of Allied Steel and Wire, which, in 2002, went into receivership, resulting in 838 employees losing their jobs. In the summer, I met a large group of Allied Steel and Wire workers in my constituency, who told me how upset they were when they first learned that the plant would close, although at least they thought that their pensions were safe. Ten days later, however, they learned that they had lost most of their pensions. When the ombudsman’s report came out, they believed that they were saved. They thought that the Government always took notice of the ombudsman and that there would be a solution. The issue of the ASW workers’ pensions is still a running sore, and they continue to campaign on it to this day. They strongly believed that the ombudsman was an independent voice that the Government would heed, but that has not happened in this case.
On Monday, the ombudsman made a speech at a seminar at the constitution unit. She mentioned three prominent cases where there was disagreement but where the Government changed their mind and, to some extent at least, remedied the injustice. As a result of our debate, I hope that the Government will think again, and that they will look back to see how the Government did change their mind in those three cases and moved, at least in part, towards what the ombudsman recommended. There are now two outstanding cases, one of which is the occupational pensions issue.
I do not suggest that the Government have done nothing. The Pension Protection Fund has been mentioned and it will in future protect pensioners who fall into such circumstances. The Government have also set up a financial assistance scheme, but we have heard about that today and we know that it is woefully inadequate. I pay tribute to the hard work that has been done, led by ASW pensioners and by the unions Amicus and Community, to keep the issue on the agenda by taking it to the European courts and trying to get recompense for their members. The changes that were made to the financial assistance scheme—which must have been brought in partly as a result of the ombudsman’s report—improved things by extending the scheme to those within 15 years of retirement. That was a step forward. But there are still huge inadequacies.
I have constituents who miss out on the 15-year extension even though they paid into the pension fund for more than 30 years. One of my constituents, from Whitchurch in Cardiff, misses the 15-year extension by three months. It is impossible to underestimate the stress and anxiety that is caused to entire families.
Another constituent from Heath worked in the steel industry in Cardiff from the age of 15. He worked with ASW until the closure in 2002, contributing to the works pension scheme. He had previously contributed to the state earnings-related pension scheme, and he transferred to the final salary works pension scheme believing—under the guidance of the Government, as he saw it—that that was guaranteed. When he heard about the increased funding under the financial assistance scheme he wrote to me:
“To my utter dismay, I find that no assistance is available to me, since I do not fall into the category of being within 15 years of retirement, being 2 months short of the qualifying period. This is totally unjust, as up to the closure of ASW, I was employed in a very harsh environment, paying taxes fully, while doing my utmost to secure my future for retirement via the works pension scheme, as recommended by the Government...After 34 years contributing, I face a bleak retirement.”
The ASW pensioners whom I have met in Cardiff all believed that they were following the Government’s guidance, and they also believed that the Government would act on the ombudsman’s recommendations. This is a matter of trust, and the Government should address it. It will be good if the Minister confirms today that they will at least look at what can be done to address the important issues that have been raised.
Attention has been drawn to the ombudsman’s recommendations. She has not asked for the Government to fork out the entire amount. She was not asking for a blank cheque. As she said:
“I did not say, “Write a blank cheque”, but to organise a remedy.”
The Government’s response to the ombudsman has, however, been very disappointing. It states that
“the Government does not believe that the information issued by the Government can be regarded as having caused the losses”.
The Government cannot of course be blamed for the failure of the schemes. The failure was that member schemes were not protected by the Government in the way that the members believed they were. That is what they said in evidence to the Committee. They believed that they were protected. However, although we are not blaming the Government for the fact that these schemes have collapsed, it is in this context that they should look at the matter.
On the question of the leaflets, the Government reject the notion of maladministration because they believe that it was clear that the information on the leaflets should not have been taken in isolation. However, the ombudsman made it clear to us in Committee that the information did influence many of the people affected. She described individuals coming to see her and showing her the parts of the leaflets to which they had paid attention. There is no doubt in my mind that the ASW pensioners in Cardiff strongly believed that they had been following Government advice, and that, as far as they were able, they had looked into protecting themselves responsibly for their retirement.
Most of the past disagreements between the Government and the ombudsman have reached a satisfactory conclusion, and the ombudsman herself says that she sees no need for a power to make her recommendations legally binding. Surely Parliament can work out a solution to this situation. The evidence is strong and compelling. The Government should listen to what is being said in the House today and find some way of sorting out a grievous situation and running sore that will otherwise continue.
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